Tomi Lahren – Giving a Voice to Conservative America on “Tomi”: The Daily Show


Please welcome Tomi Lahren. -♪ ♪
-(cheering, applause) Thanks. Thank you. I’m in the lion’s den, Trevor. I am not a lion at all. Is that, like, an African thing?
No. Um, welcome to the show. Be-Before we get into it,
uh, I-I know who you are, because I-I…
my Facebook feed has you in it. Uh, there are a lot of people
who don’t, so if you don’t know Tomi Lahren, this is
a little taste of her show. The protesters are still out in
force, but let’s be honest– they’re not protesters, they’re
crybabies with nothing better to do than meander
around the streets with their participation
trophies and false sense of purpose.
This isn’t for Hillary. I’m not even sure
this is against Trump. It’s the same thing we’ve seen
time and time again with these so-called
protesters and demonstrators. It started with
the Occupy Wall Street brats, moved on to the more militant
and overtly aggressive Black Lives Matter More crowd, cycled through the DNC-paid
violence instigators and now here we are,
November of 2016, with President-elect
Donald Trump and a crowd of misfit babies formed from
every failed movement, all sandwiched together
to become the largest group of whiners the country
has ever seen. -All right… -Pretty much
covers it, doesn’t it, Trevor? Quick question–
like, why are you so angry? I’m actually not that angry.
It’s just there’s things that need to be said, Trevor,
and a lot of people -are afraid to say ’em.
-In an… in an angry way. I mean,
you can’t say you’re not angry and, I mean, this is-this is
what you’re known for. It’s a strange thing to say–
“I’m not angry”– but that is the one thing…
It’s like Ellen saying, “I don’t like dancing.”
It’s like, yeah, you do, Ellen. You do. You-you are angry
about everything, it seems. Some of these people just need
to be called on their (bleep). -You know? I mean, when…
-What-what… But when you say “your (bleep),”
what in particular? -Well, when you’re… -‘Cause
this is the-this is the thing– protesting a, you know,
fair and free election… that, to me, you-you’re gonna
get called on your (bleep) a little bit. It’s time
to clear the streets, it’s time to accept reality,
it’s time to move on, time to make America
great again. -You consider yourself
a conservative. -I do. -Okay. -I mean, a millennial,
so I don’t really like labels. -But, yes, I’m conservative
in thought. -Sorry, my brain… You just gave a label
to say you don’t like labels. -But, anyway, um…
-We exist on a spectrum, Trevor. I mean, you’re… Would you
consider yourself a liberal? That was just… that was
just funny. That was just funny. -It was just a funny moment.
Um… -I’m a millennial. -We can surprise you.
-It’s just… it’s just funny. Um, in terms
of Black Lives Matter, like, you know,
you have quite a record… For somebody who is not racist, you have to spend a lot of time
saying, “I’m not racist.” Uh… what is your biggest issue
with Black Lives Matter? I think– and I’ve said this
many times– it started with good intentions. I think it was.
It was well-intentioned. The moment that
they started pushing “hands up, don’t shoot”–
which is a false narrative, proven time and time again
to be a false narrative– the minute that that became
their slogan, the minute that protesting
turned into rioting and looting and burning
and militant actions, that’s when I lost respect
for Black Lives Matter. Okay, but, now, here’s my thing. Let’s address each
of these things one by one. When you go, protesting, turning
into rioting and looting, that’s not a Black Lives Matter
phenomenon. That is what happens when there
is a protest a lot of the time. There are people
who rioted and looted when teams won in Chicago
years ago. It doesn’t mean
that they are now bad people. That’s what happens… There are some bad people
in every instance. Going back
to Black Lives Matter, though, for you to say that… You say
they have good intentions, they had the good intentions. How are you labeling out
the actions of a few and condemning an entire group?
I don’t understand that. Because they subscribe to the
Black Lives Matter movement. They say, we are
the Black Lives Matter movement, fry ’em like bacon,
“F” the police. They are saying those things. These are a few people.
These are a few people. This is not
the Black Lives Matter pro… -These are… these are… -That
is not the platform, though. I saw it in my…
my city of Dallas. I saw what a Black Lives Matter
protest looked like. And I saw five fallen officers
because of it. -So I’ve seen… -That’s
not fair and that’s true. -That’s-that’s not… -No, no,
no, no, no, it is fair, Trevor, because the shooter said,
point blank shooter said, he’s doing this
because of Black Lives Matter. Yes, and there are many things
you can say. I mean, if you go outside, you can say anything about doing
something because of… You cannot deny that the man
had mental issues, as well, and he was in a tough place. Just because you say the thing
doesn’t mean -it’s what it stands for, right?
-Do you feel emboldened? Because
you’re the same person… You’re the same person
who argued on your show that just because Donald Trump
has supporters from the KKK doesn’t mean he’s in the KKK, so it goes
against that argument. He didn’t say…
he didn’t say… No. No. -(applause and cheering)
-It goes against that. You can’t say
he did it because of. No, but, he, the shooter said,
“I am…” Yes, but Black Lives Matter
has never said go out and shoot people. I’m saying, you’re saying this
to your audience, and I honestly do not understand
where you’re getting that from. Just because a person… What if somebody says, “I felt
emboldened by Tomi Lahren, and so I went out,
and I shot black people”? Are you now responsible?
Is that your black…? But it’s not one… Trevor,
it’s not one or two people. -If you look at it…
-How many people is it? If you look at it in every city, -look at the protests that have
gone on. -How many people is it? In Baltimore, in Ferguson,
in New York City, the protests that have now
turned to anti-Trump protests. -These are not a few people.
-Okay. -This is mass crowds of people.
-Okay. They’re doing this in the name
of Michael Brown. They’re doing this
in the name of Freddie Gray. They’re doing it as the front
of Black Lives Matter, and the mainstream media
is emboldening these people. Okay, so then let’s use
that same logic that you’re using, then,
and then go, police. Are the police racist?
Because police in many cities… You look at Baltimore, or you look
at what happened in New York, you look at what happened
in the case of Walter Scott. You tell me,
are police racist? Because they’ve been shown
to harass black people unfairly. They’ve been shown
to shoot black people when they’re unarmed. Does that
mean the police are racist then? Because that’s the same logic
you’re using. -It’s really not, though,
Trevor, because… -It is. the mainstream media is not
emboldening them as a group. -(groaning, booing)
-It’s not. And did you know that a black man is 18.5 times
more likely to shoot a police officer
than a police officer is to shoot a black man?
Those are statistics -no one wants to talk about.
-(booing, groaning) Here’s the thing.
So, let me ask you this, then. If you say, as you said
when you walked out, “I’m not as mean
as people think I am, I’m not the person
that people think I am,” what do you wish people
would understand about you that are in another bubble? What do you wish people would
understand about you on the other side? I wish that we could disagree
with each other without thinking that we are bad
people or ill-intentioned folks. So because I criticize
a black person or I criticize
the Black Lives Matter movement, that doesn’t mean
that I am anti-black. It does not mean
that I don’t like black people, or that I’m a racist. It means
I’m criticizing a movement. I criticize Colin Kaepernick. That doesn’t mean
that I don’t believe in his First Amendment rights. It means that I believe
in my First Amendment rights to criticize him. So it doesn’t make me
a bad person, it doesn’t make me a racist
to point out… I mean, I’ve never used
racial slurs to address people. I’ve never looked down
on someone because of their skin color. To me, true diversity
is diversity of thought, not diversity of color.
I don’t see color. I go after Hillary Clinton, -(laughter, groaning) -and
she’s as white as they come. You don’t…
you don’t see color? So what do you do
at a traffic light? -(laughter, applause & cheering)
-I don’t believe in that at all, when people say that. There’s nothing wrong
withseeingcolor. It’s how you treat color
that’s more important. -You’re right. It is.
-Here’s my thing. Like, all these points
that you make are great, and I do believe
that you believe them. And I don’t believe
anyone is actively trying… There are a few people
who are trying to be bad
from their point of view. But when I look
at what you’re saying, you say you’re not pushing
a racist narrative, you’re not…
you’re criticizing. Do you really believe
you’re criticizing and you’re not mal-intentioned
when you say things like Black Lives Matter
is the new KKK? Because you realize Black Lives
Matter can’t be thenewKKK, the KKK is still around. -They have not vacated
their premises, -(clears throat) -(applause)
-and most importantly, to say Black Lives Matter
is the new KKK is… like, to really, really minimize
what the KKK did and what they stand for–
that is not the same thing. Surely you understand
the incendiary, like… -But… -feeling of your
comments. You know that, surely. It’s controversial, but
I think there are some things that need to be said, and when
the Black Lives Matter movement is going out with signs saying,
“Fry ’em like bacon, F the police,”
when they’re going out saying if you see a white person,
target them… That is happening, Trevor. That happened in Milwaukee
not too long ago. That is happening. So when
that now becomes the narrative and you’re starting to loot,
burn and riot, -what did the KKK do?
-That is not… Look, we’ll go around
in circles… Did you say,
“What did the KKK do?” No. What did they do?
When you’re saying… -(laughter) -Wow.
-Listen, listen… Trevor… -Wow.
-Trevor, when you’re saying… when there are people
in the street saying if you see a white person,
beat their ass… does that not sound reminiscent
of the KKK -or their motives to you?
-Is that the narrative of Black Lives Matter,
or are there people who are saying that within
a crowd of other human beings? There is a distinction between
a movement and the people. That is something
that we keep coming back to. But let’s go back
to what you were saying on Colin Kaepernick
and the National Anthem. This is something
I don’t understand, and I…
when I watch your videos, I go…
I truly do not understand. You say… Colin Kaepernick
is exercising his First Amendment rights,
and you are exercising your First Amendment rights
in criticizing him. -Mm-hmm.
-So what you’re saying is… “You have the right to say
anything you want, so shut up.” No. Not at all. I’m saying I don’t agree
with what he did. -Yes. -I think that
he went about it the wrong way. -I don’t think he understands…
-What is the right way? When people say that,
I’m always fascinated. What is the right way? So,
here’s a black man in America who says, I don’t know
how to get a message across. If I march in the streets,
people say I’m a thug, if I go out and I protest,
people say that it’s a riot, if I bend down on one knee, then
it’s… What is the right way? That is something
I’ve always wanted to know. What is the right way
for a black person -(applause, cheering)
-to get attention in America? Taking it out… Trevor… taking it out on our flag
and our National Anthem, -to me…
-But how? Why would you take out your perceived oppression
of black people out on the National Anthem
and our flag? A country that you live in,
a country that you benefit from, a country that people
of all races have died for, have died to protect,
have died for the vote, died to be enfranchised
by this nation, how do you then go
and disrespect the flag and the anthem of that country? -Why is that the outlet?
-Well, maybe you’re a person who’s lived
and read through history, and you realize that a lot
of those people of every color who died for this country, some
of them didn’t have the rights that their fellow servicemen had when they came back to the
country after fighting for it. And that flag means a lot
to those folks, too. Maybe you’re one
of those people who realizes that the penal system in America
wasdesignedto oppress black people, it was
designed to enslave people, it is a relic of slavery. Maybe you’re
one of those people. So what I don’t understand is,
a guy is kneeling in the corner, I don’t understand
why that offends you so much. It’s not even like
he’s trying to sing over you. If he was doing that, he’s like,
♪ O say… ♪ O say canmesee!
No. He’s singing… He’s not… he’s not doing
anything that affects you. I don’t understand
why it gets to you. I genuinely don’t.
He’s in a corner, kneeling by himself– why
does that offend you so much? For me, I know what
that flag means to me, I know what that flag means
to those that are fighting for our country right now– it’s
bigger than a piece of cloth. It’s a symbol of patriotism. Our National Anthem has meant
a lot to a lot of people, it’s got a lot of people
through very hard times, and this country,
it’s got its scars, it’s got its wounds,
it’s got its history, but I still believe
it’s the greatest nation on the face of the Earth,
and I believe if you live in this country,
you can want to better it, but to disrespect
our flag and our anthem, in that way,
and that be your outlet to get out
whatever aggression you have, whether it be passive
or active aggression, I disagree with it. And so he has every right
to do it– that’s his
First Amendment rights, and I agree with his First
Amendment right to do it– I don’t agree with what he did. So because I don’t agree
with what he did, then nowIshould shut up?
Because I’m white? So I should shut up?
I shouldn’t be able to talk about black issues
’cause I’m white? No one brought up whites at all. I never said that.
I don’t see color. -I…
-(laughter) I don’t think that
that’s what the argument is. What I’m saying is…
I asked you one question, and that is:
How should a black person bring up their grievances? That’s all I ask. How? If that’s not the right way,
if marching isn’t the right way, whatisthe right way? When you talk…
What he said was, he is protesting
the anthem and the flag because of the oppression
of black people -in this country.
-Yes. I would like him
to further explain what he’s talking about
when he’s discussing -the black oppression
in this country. -Which he has. Also, is it against police?
Is it against the government? I’m not sure what oppression
he’s discussing. I would love
to have him come on my show and discuss it with me. To me, when you make the flag
and you make the anthem the outlet for your anger, or the outlet through which
you’re going to protest your country that you live in,
you reside in, that you take
$19 million a year from, I don’t think that that is the
correct outlet for your anger. So, what is he protesting? Again, you haven’t answered
my question of how… -how you want black people…
-So… I’m just asking how.
And I’m asking you… honestly, I’m not saying
in a challenging way– I’m saying to you,
I don’t know the answer apart from these methods,
so I would like to know if you’ve ever thought of a how. Because you’re the first person
I’ve met who’s said this. I’ve seen this message online. I’m not labeling you
as“thebad person.” I just want to know if
you’ve ever thought of the how. That’s all I want to know. For me, I think there are a lot
of folks in this country, I, being a woman, um, I didn’t
have rights after black people, until women
got the right to vote, but because I feel like
I’m a woman, and I’m marginalized
in some way, I don’t protest my country. I don’t see
what he’s protesting. -I would like to know exactly
what he is protesting. -So… -It’s a very…
-So how do you– No, no. -How do you protest, then?
That’s what… -I don’t protest. Because I’m not a victim. I guess we can,
we can go back and forth on a lot of these issues, um… It’s-it’s an interesting place
to be in, because, honestly, y-you’ve won,
you know. Like, your side has won,
as you say, you know. The liberal snowflakes
are melting in the streets as they protest. And now I would like to know
from your side, genuinely, as someone who’s won,
do you believe that Donald Trump will follow
through on his promises? I will be a vocal opponent
if he doesn’t. I am not somebody that gets on
the cheerleading bandwagon. If he does something I disagree
with, I will discuss it. I did before I was
a Trump supporter, I was critical of Trump. I was a Marco Rubio girl
for a long time, and then I started to see that
was gonna be our nominee. And I said it’s him or Hillary. -A lot of Americans
were in that position. -Yeah. And then I got closer
to the campaign, and I started seeing some
of the things he was saying, and I started seeing the effect
he was having on people, and the things that he was
saying that was touching people, -and making them feel like
they… -He was touching people. -Yeah. He was.
-(laughter) He really was. Hillary could use some of that
every now and then, right? Bill’s a little busy,
Bill’s a little busy. I appreciate you being
on the show. Thank you so much
for being here. -Thank you, Trevor.
-It is, a… a conversation we should
continue having, uh, having. You can find, uh,
Tomi’s Final Thoughts at Facebook.com/TomiLahren.

100 Replies to “Tomi Lahren – Giving a Voice to Conservative America on “Tomi”: The Daily Show”

  1. When you infringe on someone else's rights you have violated the Constitution, and therefore lost your rights. Also, Colin K said b/c so many blacks have died in the streets he didn't feel like America is standing up to its professed morals/values. He has a right to protest in the way he did. He hurt noone and sparked a movement of his own, causing people to think. #StayWoke

  2. For someone who prides himself to be a seasoned show host, Trevor was quite the "bitch" and basically cheap on this show! Poor performance, Trevor! Hope you would learn to be more pragmatic, fair, honest, respectful, impartial and bit more intelligent in the future. And remember that it wasn't Ms. Toni who had requested to be on your show. It was you who had invited her "to" your show. So learn to show a bit of respect for your guest next time, buddy.

  3. trevor is showing both smartness and wisdom in this controversion…. where is her head? … she disrespected trevor on his own show!

  4. WHY THE FUCK is this show even on Comedy Central….. JESUS CHRIST! I didn’t come here to LISTEN TO YOUR FUCKING STUPID lgbtq vs trump debate holy shit this generation is FUCKED! this isn’t funny makes me want to kill myself. Literally put anyone else on the show besides Trevor and make them funny not gay and a super liberal that wants to preach his opinion. Put someone that is actually funny on the show and does funny shit holy FUCK

  5. "you jus gave a label to say you don't like labels but anyway" sums up EVERYTHING. I mean jesus some/most white women these days be like " I totally understood her, I don't understand how you guys didn't. Mmm maybe its the obnoxious smugness that's taking away from it all. I mean can they jus talk straight for once w/o double meaning and hidden connotations. And she's from DALLAS oooh no no no no no no.

  6. When she said she dont protest because shes not a victim really shows how she doesn't know wtf shes talking about

  7. I see people are so entrenched in the block that they are subscribing to and easily amused by what can only be a minor humor spewed by the host (Hassan did it better IMO). Why can't we all be critical and not fanatics of both extreme end of the spectrum. I see valid points from either side of the discussion and I also disagree in certain opinions by both of them. Yes you are entitled to express your opinions in non-violent and constructive ways but you never ever should disrespect other people's jobs and what their believe in such as patriotism and rule of laws. The government are also wrong to outrightly deny the facts of oppression suffered systemically by the non-white people and the people are wrong to abuse their right of free speech and freedom of protests to incite extreme hate towards the so called conservatives that will destabilize the harmony of the nation altogether. Things can only get better if people stop being so defensive all the time and actually respond with no-nonsense and sincere argument.

  8. Granted, this was on Tevor’s turf and he seemed to totally owned her. But it was a good debate and while She looked nervous as hell during the entire show (her hands clinching together). I think it was a good that she came on as a guest.

  9. Not standing for the anthem is actually an inactive protest and should be the go to standard. Once you don't stand for it, the microphone will be given to you and then you can peacefully articulate what your grievance is to the world. When the anthem is about to be played, an announcer normally asks, "please rise for our national anthem." In a free country, one should be able to at least be free to stand for it or choose not to. How free can we actually be, if that non action to rise sets people off so much?

  10. If you want to protest the system wants you to file a complaint… that will get you nowhere but at least you are not a problem for traffic.

  11. Wow. She's not an intelligent person. She is famous for what she spews. Deep down she knows Trevor is making sense, but because she has to stick to her rhetoric, she'll opt to be a dummy than to educate herself.

  12. “I don’t protest because I’m not a victim”🤦🏾‍♂️
    So you want to tell others who do feel like victims what to do, or they are not victims. So in your mind, we should just do away with the word victim.

  13. "Why are you so angry?" You condescending ass. What a worthless, dismissive, passive-aggressive, hypocritical thing to ask.

  14. She had her chance to be the voice for all of her people and explain what the proper way for a black person to get a message across or protest, and she couldn't answer…after Trevor called her out for not answering the question like three times.

  15. If you give ignorant people a platform, they will continue to be ignorant. Trevor should've never allowed her to come on this show. Clearly she doesn't want to solve issues, she just want to point out problems and that's it.

  16. Wow, they are literally attacking her. What a shame. Tomi is handling herself well and Trevor is just trying to push a different narrative. Stop with the obsession with racism. SO annoying.

  17. Listening is a skill. Clearly she doesn't have that skill. She doesn't see that everything that she's saying is fantascially stupid. There is no point in anything that she says. I've got mad respect for Trevor and his patience, I would've smacked the shit out of her a long time ago.

  18. yes how can a black man protest with your personal approval? how does he do it the right way according to your definition of right way?

  19. There is a distinction between a movement and a people that may use that movement to cause chaos, but when Trump said there were good people on both sides in the Charlottesville incident, he was berated and chastised for his own acknowledgement of such. I understand what both of you are saying, both sides MUST agree to compromise through the differences of thoughts and perspectives of life. We're ALL entitled to express our lives with free will, and chose ANY path we wish, we NEED to eradicate this new environment of hatred and suppression towards EVERYONE. There has been a noticeable difference when Maxine Waters publicly incites a mob to attack "everyone wearing a MAGA hat" and create a crowd "&let them know they're NOT welcome ANYWHERE" "at the petrol station, at the grocery store, at their homes". This discrimination MUST END. The very people claiming to be for the RIGHTS of the poor, minorities, and general good for ALL, are the same pushing for complete domination, whether you like it or not, to force "their way" or no way. Shutting down conservative speakers and events at college campuses, physically attacking religious freedom and forcing the suppression of beliefs in ANY way, and forcing others to either fall in line and comply with the narrative, or suffer violent, damaging, life altering consequences is unimaginably selfish and a vile new trend I CAN'T agree with. Neuroticism is at it's peak, ready to go over the edge of reality. The reality is that we're ALL afforded the same, equal, rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but when those pursuits infringe upon the lives and liberties of others, forcing one's ideas of happiness upon ANY others, then the balance of FREEDOM is no longer balanced. The pursuits of individual liberties, whether they be matters of gay rights, expression of religion, freedom of speech and press, civil rights, 2nd amendment rights, or whatever the liberty is, NOBODY has the RIGHT to violently force any other person to personally accept, tolerate, or comply with ANYTHING another pursues. There's NO justice for ANYONE if our democracy continues this trend of enforcing political agendas at the expense of the people's freedom. Our government is vigorously working toward enforcing socialist ideological principals upon the masses. EVERYONE is being manipulated by the same people who create these internal and external divisions, to take down the foundations of freedom and prepare us for a socialist dictatorship where EVERYONE is enslaved of the government who will implement, for "our good", laws enforcing EVERYONE to comply with the agendas, or suffer their punishments. China is a prelude to our future, and the future of humanity where NOBODY has ANY freedom, nor the right to pursue ANY happiness or life that's not assigned to them. We MUST STOP these selfish divisions and work TOGETHER for the good of the whole or we WILL become controlled by the few at the expense of the many, and lose EVERYTHING good we have left. We MUST unite, despite our many differences, or face the very real prospect of the end of freedom around the world. We are the beacon of hope to billions around the world already suffering at the hands of autocracy, and if we don't get our shit together FAST, the hope will die and we'll ALL be at the mercy of our dictators. SAVE FREEDOM

  20. I came back to this video 3 years later hoping she had finally answered Trevor’s question. I’ll be back in 2022.

  21. Okay what the hell i don't like Tomi Lahren but Trevor was so passive aggressive & rude for most of the interview……that's not how a host acts

  22. "I still believe it's the greatest nation on the face of the earth" .
    Using what criteria? Being able to kill more Americans than ISIS ever have, Locking up a greater percentage of it's population than any other so called democratic country has ever done. Having the most expensive health system in the western world, that delivers the poorest results in that same community. Having some of the lowest results, for its public education system, in a supposedly "first world" country. I could continue but would be interested to discover when and under which circumstances America was the greatest country in the world.

    I visited the Smithsonian Afican American museum in Washington DC, earlier this year, which clearly demonstrates that America's wealth, political and military power was built, purely and simply on the exploitation of slaves and the hard work of immigrants.

    America has a long way to go to become a great nation again, if it ever was. Just because you have the capacity to destroy the world many times over, doesn't make you great. Only extremely dangerous.

  23. Black lives matter shooter says: I did it for the black lives matter movement
    White people: BLAME THE MOVEMENT. END THE MOVEMENT
    Ohio shooter who had trump spelled out in multiple machine guns on his Facebook page: I did it for trump. Trump said there's an immigration wave. I wanted to fix it.
    White people: must be videogames. They've corrupted this one single poor mentally unstable individual who needs help.

  24. She's not sure which oppression he's protesting and discussing because black people are going through so many at one time it's kind of like your pick of the week.

  25. She can look a black man in the face and say “your perceived oppression of black people” as if the perceptions of those theoretically oppressed aren’t the only fing ones that should matter… the ignorance and idiocy astounds me

  26. Oh Hell Yea! Thank you Trevor. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. She spoke pretty well and didn't get too frazzled. She's quick and well spoken but her message and thoughts are like the bile of acid reflux. Painful, dreadful and caustic.

    Thankfully you broke down her various viewpoints to an extent where maybe some of her minions might understand different viewpoints. I'm glad she wasn't too aggressive, it actually wound up seeming like a discussion.

    Her views and her show are like acid on metal. She's corrosive and good at her job. Unfortunately she sways or encourages the thoughtless or fearful and perhaps ignorant Maga crowd.

    You, sir, are the base that resolves any question of moral integrity. I sincerely hope your and others efforts will shed light on the racist and malignant dilemma of greed and fear in this and other countries.

    A virtual beer to your hand sir!

  27. Sorry to say this but Trevor was a exceptional journalist in the argument however failed or willing avoided a lot of points raised by tommi. The reason that is a problem is because a right winger or person in the middle will listen and then hear no rebuttal by Trevor and assume tommi is right.
    Trevor was insulting and funny but lost the argument

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