Our Biggest Art Mistakes – Draftsmen S1E03

alright guys welcome back to another episode of the draftsmen podcast where we talk about drawing and painting and art okay well my name is Stan Prokopenko I am a painter teacher and I started proko and this is Marshall van drove this is Marshall van if I am a Southern California art instructor Marshall what have you been up to you since last week well let's see I am preparing to teach again since 2007 I've been teaching composition at concept design Academy and Pasadena it's a wonderful art school taught almost entirely by professional artists in the industry and they have me there every year or two to do a crash course in composition nice yeah I went to Florida what you do in Florida it was part of a Kay part work I recorded a demo with Aaron blades Disney animator and he does large animal drawings in charcoal now I saw the promo right yeah big lion yeah it turned out really great I went with my family and my my wife and son and we spent five days in Disney World and Universal and Cooper's how old one and a half 1/2 he loved it he thought it was his new life alright well roll the music ooh yeah I want to give it a little shout-out before he began go ahead to people so Cody shanks he animated for those of you watching there's an animation to that intro he animated that I think it turned out really good and also my cousin Tom who made this sweater yeah and he also made that song so we sent him a bunch of audio clips of us kind of seeing that and it was crap it was totally out of key time not we're not on what is it called not on the timing to pay the pit no what is it well there's pitch this pitch but there's a really high tempo we're out of tempo and he produced it and made it sound really good it's no fixed fixed I think from Chicago Tom my cousin yeah and again for those of you watching this is great his Chicago sweater that's Aziz he's our the musician yes Tommy FM would come up on Instagram and Cody is in Ohio so these are our two tank you introduce me to Cody I sure did he was my he is my former student yeah everybody's your former student we went over this everybody good whoa yeah well not me that's right I missed you so today's episode is gonna be about our biggest mistakes hmm we we talked a lot of good hype about it ourselves last time left yeah we probably need to even it out balance it with some crap yeah we're talking about art mistakes mistakes in our careers in that kind of thing yeah yeah okay I think it'll be fun who's gonna go first I could start how many do you have I have two and I'm hoping to come up with more okay well then maybe I should start cuz I have a mini yeah you do make more mistakes than me I do and I grieve over them or two let's see just kidding everyone I'm kidding it's a I think one of a is a mistake I made a number of times which was early in my career I just wanted to get paid to make pictures and when my first commercial job I got paid 20 bucks for it and it was to do a series of pen and ink illustrations to advertise an RV company and I did a picture of a guy in a greasy spoon diner who had his hands on his face like this and I had the hands on backward can you describe it at all for the listeners yeah his hands he's got his he's got his face in his hand and if you put your face in your hands right now you'll see that the little finger side of your hand faces away faces forward I had them so that the phenoms facing now face because when I drew it I held my thumbs up and said oh you were looking at your I was looking at my own hands from my point of view and didn't think to turn them around oh my god I know rookie but I we have to insult each other after each mistake oh yeah yeah this isn't a counseling session this isn't right yeah what an idiot I yeah nice an idiot I didn't even know and my brother who got me the job came back from the RV place and said they say that they think there's something wrong with the hands and I remember looking at the hands and looking at my thumbs and same no there's nothing wrong that's right so he took it back and told him that and they said okay I have the picture we can show it to people who watch the video and well and we can have a link at the description as well but that was not just a problem of hands Stan yeah that was a problem of taking a job that I was not ready for I didn't know that I got it wrong until years later I got it I'm sure the people that accept that hired you also didn't know that they knew something was wrong but they didn't know what it was okay it makes me realize now that most people don't pay attention to anatomy but I'd like you to look at this picture those of you watching it on the video and think you could study Anatomy with this guy but here was here were some other things I did know when I got a job in my 20s for Disneyland to paint a maypole as concept art that I had no a second mistake this was no I there's many of I can if you want me to list all of them no I don't wanna fly it my turn oh oh that's right I'm so sorry no I want to hear your maple yeah let me let me finish most forces connected with the first one okay it's that I'm sorry I took jobs I wasn't ready for okay and there were only three or four times where it was really bad because we three or four yeah out of you know seven or eight hundred jobs oh wow you've had seven or eight hundred jobs over my whole career yeah woah yeah I know that because I when I had to purge my invoices there were about eight hundred invoices I've had like three jobs well I'm had to make my living with this so it's like I did or you like 700 times older than me no and that's so rude yeah no I am young and immature should we get back to the Maypole again I interrupted go ahead my I really I'm really curious like I know I've told this story many times but it was a pivotal story in my life the Maypole was a round thing in the hub of Disneyland that had little staircases all around it on a circle so that everybody could get up to the platform and women would dance around the Maypole dressed in spring colors and I had no idea how to do this without looking at a model and copying and so I i fudged those little stairways by just controlling them and redrawing andreen throwing the lines don't look right I had no idea how to place vanishing points when they spin around and it got me into so much trouble I greet the the job ended up being okay because all it was was concept art so they give an idea what it looks like but I realized then I am in my 20s and I'm making my living as an illustrator and I have no idea how to do this so it was him it was humiliating to me it was painful and I also recognized I need to start my education over okay there are a few others jobs you messed up on Anatomy and perspective I did okay um is it my turn now yeah okay so this one some people might know about I did a live stream once where I was teaching people how to draw from imagination charlie smirking oh dear so yeah this this one became a meme I'm pretty proud of this actually this is my favorite mistake so I I was I thought I was extremely prepared like I had ten pages of notes all organized very well and I started drawing and I just wasn't prepared for the actual drawing part of it like I prepared everything I was gonna say but I wasn't sure what I was gonna draw from imagination and so I started drawing this like kangaroo type creature mm-hm and it started looking like a fetus mm-hmm and it was it was so bad that the next morning when I came back into the office there were already like 20-something memes like people would took my the shape that I created and turned it into just a bunch of random stuff like they were trashing you oh yeah they were absolutely making fun of it they were just turning into these funny things it was all over what's it called at website 4chan what yeah it was a 4chan thing so you know they're brutal they there is no limit to how wet dull with it it's hilarious just look up proko kangaroo 4chan whatever you girls you guys will be fine you can show a high speed version of it here yeah we'll probably flip through some in the video and we'll have a link in the description but but it doesn't seem to have damaged you yeah I was confused at first I was like is this good like is this okay that this happened like I wasn't hurt by it at all I was in a hurry like yeah whatever like I'm fine I I know I'm good like I don't need reassurance from like you know people on 4chan yeah and I know I know I messed up because my I knew before going into it that my strength was not drawing from imagination mm-hmm but I thought I would do okay and I I failed so hard so that's what I knew anything isn't prepared that's what the beginning of the Kim Jung ji thing is about when you said I'm not good at drawing from imagination of all people that's what you were and I think I even though we show the kangaroo in that video and yeah if you have never know seen it you wouldn't know what that's kind of yeah I was not hurt by it just because I have thick skin I'm fine but I wasn't sure if like this would damage the brand yeah I was like I think people are gonna actually think that I'm I'm a bad artist because of this and it didn't it didn't I don't think it did it all I think everyone just kind of laughed it off like yeah okay whatever yeah next but also there's another good thing is that it sets up the dynamism for an irony that you will be the great kangaroo from imagination artist in coming decades and now I want to run with that I want to I want to maybe do like a realistic painting when I take that kangaroo shape and do something actually cool with it yeah yeah that's a good one yeah you know Luce Lucille Ball there's stories about her she was one of the most successful personalities in television and she was stories about her being rejected from film but whenever you look at a success story there's bound to be when you look at the beginnings of it there's gonna be some irony some wound something that the person who was the worst becomes the best and part of it is because you set up the rebound for it just jumping in mm-hmm and just taking the risk and then redoing it if you if you failed mm-hmm that was one thing I did I was like well I'm gonna do live streaming do Drive or imagination trying to prepare I'm gonna do it anyway yeah what's your next biggest oh let's see the ones that I mentioned at the beginning we're saying yes to things that I probably should have said no to until I was ready though I don't regret them that much they they bothered me but there's there's one thing this isn't art related but this is one thing that really got me you know who Mel Blanc is no he's the guy who did all the almost all the voices for the Warner Brothers cartoons but Ronnie and Daffy Duck and all that and when I was in the 1980s I would late 70s 80s I was enamored with him I think he's one of the greatest vocal talents that ever lived and I mentioned this to a woman at Fullerton College Yvonne Alaniz I don't know why she was involved with a community college there but she said Marshall I know Mel I've known him ever since I was a little girl I lived near him and I see him all the time and he's really sociable if you wanted to go over and meet him you know you could and I I thought wow and I told my friend Nigel because he and I were such big fans of Mel Blanc and I remember telling her no and the reason why is that I didn't want to bother him Here I am a college student he's a famous voice artist why would I want to come over to his house and bother him and when I said no I felt like there was something stupid there was this voice underneath me saying don't say that but I said I think I said it out of just nervousness or fear and when Mel Blanc died and it was in the newspaper that voice came up in full volume and said you idiot you turned down the opportunity to meet Mel Blanc and you said no out of fear that was the the thing that I said no to that I think I'm most regret I know it doesn't have to do with art it does this year aren't here well I mean the voice acting yeah yeah I want to throw insults at you right now but you throw insults at me so so yeah well like you need to install a kangaroo mistake before I get ya our show needs to take the gloves off yeah oh gosh the fun my show that's slap me like kangaroos or boxers gosh what a moron you were for trying that kangaroo that it you're like yeah I thought all you got like anything you're going to tell me about Mel Blanc anyway very self worth I am not really good at insults right now I'm just feeling such like on it such good humor bottom line and one more milk of human kindness is so permeated in my fiber of being that one wire Hey gosh Stan what an idiot get this that's the same thing housing in physical pain more this is worse for you you're insulting yourself I'd sure like to see that kangaroo can we just can we run a little video clip of it and then we can dub my laughter now the kangaroo is an insult on itself you don't even need to say anything no just run it and then we can overdub my my response which will be this is gonna be bad how is that that's horrible oh well I'll work all right I'll watch the Groucho Marx insults on YouTube and rehearse them okay how about you you're gonna give me grief for the Mel Blanc thing you're an idiot that's the best you can do sounds like a Marshall Van der insel that yeah okay so my next mistake is get more of a business e1 huh so I feel like my mistake was to do the anatomy APIs or the anatomy course too early and to to extend it to four it's been like four years we were hoping to get it done in a year I was hoping to get it not any I think I was like a year and a half that I was hoping to get it done but even then even if I did do it in a year and a half I think that was the wrong move I think it would have been smarter for me to do the drawing basics course first start with the the the wider demographic because anatomies so focused is for people that want to draw humans and not just that but they're advanced enough that they're ready for Anatomy at that point which which like removes a large amount of artists that are on YouTube a lot of people don't get serious enough to actually start studying Anatomy at that level because my anatomy class is pretty advanced it's not like a an overview of the human body like we dive in as deep as you want to go indeed and so I think a lot of people get overwhelmed over overwhelmed with the level of content there's too much information yeah boy that's what I that's why I admire it so much now ya know I think for what it is I think I did a really good job I do creating an Anatomy course I just think it's too early we've done it later okay now do you wanna they're there from me they're there maybe I should give it to your audience yeah they're the ones that that's right there there is that if you do if you wait a year yeah the anatomy course still gonna be there that's the great thing about this is that if if the teacher is no longer available they're busy they're dead or whatever you still learn from them sure I'm just saying that my business would have grown much faster if I had created a course for a wider audience yeah we would have had much more funding to grow quicker so that was a macro strategy thing it was no strategy you just want to decided to I was like I want to teach anatomy and I just went with it yeah it was a mistake one of those things where you jump in and you it and then it's a mistake that's like lasting for four years mm-hmm it's one of those and you can't get out but I am happy with the Nanak I think it's a very good course I'm very proud of it yeah if I wasn't proud of it I would have just cut it and it's giving everyone a refund but I think we've given them like 10 times more content than what we charge and more than any other Anatomy course I have ever been aware of there's nothing that compares to it to me you're right yeah also there's a that there's the thing Arnold Schwarzenegger used to quote this about suffering is temporary film is permanent and no matter what the story was about the development of this if it's there and it's on film it's as good ten years from now 20 years from now who cares I mean you're you're yeah ventually uh fill in those gaps and you've done well enough to build this studio yeah oh yeah it's not that babbity you imagine yeah imagine it I know how we could have a bigger space better microphones yeah because you know even to this day the figure course outsells Anatomy code does it really day about that yeah folks do you are you hearing this so I'm not surprised the figure courses for everyone almost it is and the figure course I also think is I mean there's no life drawing course that can even compare to it so but the drawing basics course will be for even more everyone okay everyone plus everyone else so you're going in reverse order which is the way a lot of people do things yeah oh well so you know it just occurred to me that my other mistake wasn't mistake is that if something I did write it was [Laughter] well that's the end of our mistakes should we end on a positive no no that's not to talk about Alyssa five seconds what is it what's your non mister you gotta give me one minute thirty seconds ago thirty seconds I said yes to too many jobs I worked myself so hard and then there came a point where there were so many jobs coming in that I could tell people no and when I started to turn down jobs at first it was a bad feeling but then it was a feeling like I don't have to do that it was a good feeling with made me feel like a grown-up Oh what are we gonna do voicemail you want to do uh what did we need to figure out a better name for it I smell art line art line you guys in the comments if you're on YouTube tell us what we should name the segment where you guys call in you leave a voicemail and we answer your question the art line voice oh you have a great voice because it somehow be connected to hell like sexy your voices yeah voices with so will if you come up with a good name yeah for this segment of people asking questions we'll name it that but it has to be something clever like for example here's a segment that we're thinking of if you guys send us physical mail to like our peal box we have we're not starting this yet maybe in a future episode we're gonna call it junk in the trunk wow that's a clever name so we're gonna your mail your packages will go in the trunk and we're gonna call it what's in what no junk in the trunk trunk in the trunk it's great rhymes yeah so look look forward to that okay but yeah leave us a comment what do you think we should call this segment for now it is art line art line okay let's get a question hi this is Jen and I was wondering what do you think the best iPad app is for drawing Oh interesting that leaves me out Lisa that's a good one okay I mean this one will be short then I might be a little bit biased because I've been working with the creator of an app and they've been showing me stuff and I'm not actually working on the app but I've been talking a lot to one of the creators of infinite painter and I tried it out and I thought it was very good is the first time that I was actually really impressed with the tools that they have it's not just like a copy of Photoshop stools it's an improvement on them the level of customized ability they have on their brushes is amazing their prospective tools are really good I think you need to try it I do have you ever drawn on an iPad no crap maybe you should we're gonna have we're gonna have best with me yeah I think stuff yeah we can save that for another episode yeah for now so infinite painter I think is very good and it's one that not too many people know about I think you guys should give it a try download it is a paid one it's not free but I don't know if any of them are really free I know all of them have like a free version and then you get to upgrade but I think it's worth it compared to like Photoshop which costs and ones are like forty dollars per month this is like a one-time payment of $7.80 so cheap for a drawing app but there's also you know we got procreate I think is like the main one yeah that's what I hear everybody heard of us I love you there is Photoshop sketch which is a photoshopped version which um I think I've tried a little tiny bit but I don't know too much about it there's a bunch but oh oh and SketchBook Pro SketchBook Pro is another very popular one I remember I've used SketchBook Pro on I think Scott Robertson did there he helped develop their perspective he sure did I remember that and I like SketchBook Pro when I messed with it I like manga studio pro to which they changed yeah but do they have an iPad version I don't know what they do or not oh yeah I'm not sure if manga studios available on that maybe it is actually I don't Charlie can you look it up yeah manga studio iPad and it's not called manga studio anymore am i right I know it isn't it's a pro clip Pro yeah they're good brushes oh good good clip clip studio paint steel paint cat oh why why would they do that right clip studio paint anyway those are trying to get away from the manga market I know but still they could have they had an opportunity to look like you can get it on the iPad oh cool well hey well that's probably a good one too yeah bad name but great probably a good app because the desktop version of it is good but guys I don't know if we're the best ones to to recommend this stuff because we're both of us aren't really digital artists right you you're purely traditional I well I spent 10 years living in front of the computer when I made the switch in 1994 to everything became digital from airbrush to that and I got so sick of 16-hour days in front of a big CRT and even now just a moment in front of the laptop makes me feel like I never want to sit in front of a computer screen mm-hmm yes antique pardon you have a Cintiq no no so you so you don't draw on a tablet not at all okay and I don't want to I mean I if you're gonna make your living in the arch you're gonna work on a tablet you're gonna wear I mean I worked on a tablet for years i jus did yeah I worked on a Wacom tablet with in front of a desktop in Photoshop a painter but I just grew to not like the experience of being in front of a computer yeah well yeah yeah again you're 60 yeah that makes a difference yeah you get about a decade or two of it and all you want to do is go out and roll in the bushes yeah even I mean I'm even too old for it my generation I didn't I mean like tablets just started getting good when I was like you know in early 20s yeah just before that and sin teks didn't even happen beef well how long have since he's been around maybe like 10 or 12 years but that was the first time where you could actually draw on the screen you're looking at rather than look at a screen and then draw down here by the keyboard and it's separate you know you know why I didn't care about that when when sin teks came out here was the thing when I was doing drawing on paper I was hunched over like this and my posture got so bad that when I saw pictures of myself I was shaped like an ' okay and so when I started to work with the Wacom tablet in my lap and the screen there there was hope that my posture wasn't getting worse by the hour by making a living and so to go back to having it here then go back to the screen on your lap my Cintiq is still in front of me yeah I'm looking up and I'm when you draw your arm up here yeah my arm is up I actually liked the posture of having the Wacom tablet looking up and your arm is down yeah I like that if shoulders more relaxed didn't take any getting used to it happened in a matter of minutes at all I move it here and I see it there you know to me it made a big difference mm-hmm I worked on a tablet I had the Intuos – yeah for like 12 years I remember it it got so dirty yeah I think I cleaned it once disgusting but um yeah I got that thing very early on what probably I think when it came out and I worked on it for 12 years and I really didn't like actually drawing on it that's why I never really made the switch to going to doing most of my stuff digitally well then when I got my first Cintiq probably like six five or six years ago I actually started really enjoying drawing digitally because it was a much closer connection to what I felt like on paper yeah and I felt like a lot of my what do you call that like the hand hand-eye coordination that I got really good at with paper it transferred over digitally now and I could my strengths are now there I don't have to relearn how to draw any again yeah so it made a big difference for me yeah and I've heard that from other people in fact I one of my colleagues my age lives for the Cintiq and he said it changed everything when it happened he just loved the fact we used to imagine instead of having a CRT wouldn't it be nice to see RT was a cathode ray tube it was a great big heavy screen that would blast radiation at you and it was so fatiguing Athleta problem anymore No right and we imagined wouldn't be great to have something it would be like a magazine for its resolution yeah that you could work write on it and change the pixels only thought well it'll be a long time before that comes around but obviously it's around now yeah so it's great oh all right well but we aren't people to ask because there's other people out there making their living with this that are so immersed in it I mean we've been using digital for over 15 years or so so we know a little bit but yeah there's professional digital illustrators that are better to ask but yeah that's our opinion I'm happy with my interest but again I want to conclude with that though wit by saying that it really doesn't matter too much which app you use I'm sure procreate is amazing SketchBook Pro is amazing infinite painter is amazing like they're all good enough to create really good art in don't focus too much on the app just try them out see what you've what you like and then and go with it don't spend too much time worrying about which app you're using because they're all good it's more about your skills it's the the app is the least important thing yeah figure that john singer sargent didn't have an app yeah van Gogh didn't have an app they can give him give him a lump of champ barbecue charts the equivalent of asking what kind of pencil to use so yeah I think so okay Marshall yeah what's your thing okay Carly it's come up this quick you want me to start yeah I want you to start okay you guys hear that whoo looks like a piece of technology you guys guess what it is based on the sound before you say what it is who would ever if they didn't know sit wah I know what that is I don't know man okay guys after I reveal it be honest in your comments if you actually knew what it is I'm think some people will figure it out summer Assam crawling insects no it doesn't know these are headphones and I really like him a lot these are the Microsoft Surface headphones they're quite expensive $350 yeah but I finally decided to take this take the leap and spend some because I have these on for hours every day so I like damn I should just get some good ones they're comfortable they're very comfortable and they have batteries in them they do and they Bluetooth and can you recharge the batteries without taking them out what can you recharge the battery I damn it my cell yes you can't read you can't even take out the batteries you plot you charge them by plugging it in here okay they're noise canceling and that works pretty well the main thing I really like about these though is that on the right side you guys li got a look at the pictures of these things there's a dial so the whole thing twists and it controls the volume of the sound that's playing and then on the left side you twist you twist this whole thing and it controls the noise volume so it controls how much noise cancellation is happening so you have to so you turn your left ear to change the volume of the noise turn your right ear to change the volume of what you're listening and you can kind of go back and forth yeah so like if I'm walking to work I can I could turn up the volume of the noise so I make sure I can that kinda can I hear the traffic around mean like you know don't run you know yeah it's safer to hear your surroundings when you're walking on the street it is yeah so it's a great I love these things and I love the way they look only three hundred and fifty dollars and you can cancel out or listen to the noise around you as you walk to work and this is not our sponsor by the way wouldn't it be funny if it was though yeah but this is a nice pond I really just like these okay yeah well I'm gonna have to get those someday I'm gonna pour this you live in Southern California everything about three under $50 that's right yeah those shoes that you're wearing only cost $100 that's true okay Marshall look you'll think ah boy this is a tough one I'm gonna choose since I just finished it this last weekend a great courses called heroes and legends taught by dr. Thomas shippi and it is it starts with Frodo Baggins and Odysseus it goes to Charlie holy up as soon as he heard throne of agony he's got Sherlock Holmes in there he's got guy James Bond he's got Robin Hood he's got all of these different characters that he spotlights oh wait maybe he doesn't have Robin Hood I might be mixing that up with he's it's it's heroes and legends of literature and does he combine them all into an actual story or no it's 24 lectures okay the type of hero they are and how the heroes of for example Frodo Baggins was a particular kind of hero that was unique to the 20th century the Greek heroes you'd never write a hero who was an everyman like Frodo Baggins but it was at the time of world war two or so many people were put in situation's they were every people that had to make decisions where everyone's live is contingent on it and so the the 20th century mid 20th century was hungry for a hero of that type and one of the themes he does through this court talks about through this course is that it is the great masters of literature who give us heroes that we wanted but we didn't know we wanted until we got them he includes Sherlock Holmes and Seeley I think is her name from a color purple he includes James Bond in there and the last one he ends on is Harry Potter the one on Harry Potter is fascinating because he believes that Harry Potter is as Frodo Baggins was to the 20th century Harry Potter is to the 21st century and his insight to the history of literature his insight into these characters is fascinating so that I've taken about two years on this course oh well I've gone through it twice I'm gonna go through it two or three times how long is it there 24 lectures and a half-hour peace delivery he's got an accent and it's enormous amount of information and everything he speech is fascinatingly represented so I can listen to the music of his voice all through those 12 hours and love it but the content is just wonderful okay that sounds really exciting them yeah I'm excited about it one of my favorites if you're interested in like character development storytelling even if it's through visual form this might be helpful it's helpful for anyone who's telling stories okay it is one of the best overviews of what a hero is he gives a definition definition over here and then says there's all sorts of variations on what I hear noise I know that Joseph Campbell's power of myth and hero with a thousand faces is very popular and I apologize that I just don't get that excited about it I mean I read one of two of his books and also all of the beer bill moyers interviews this to me is is 20 times better than what Joseph Campbell offers for insight into what makes heroes but even for a person's not a storyteller one of the things that's so inspiring about it is that you recognize what heroism is shiro ism making choices in life the kind of things that are the stereotypes of it and the kind of things that are the core of it and so I'm just so excited about it that it's hard not to talk about it so you asked me what's my thing I just finished it Dracula is in there too Jack it was an interesting hope second character yeah I actually am curious I'm gonna check it I actually I'm gonna and right now I think it's on sale for 35 bucks or something like you know it's normally these are normally three four hundred dollar courses but they put on sale periodically through great courses so that's been my thing well thank you marshmallow I love your thing baby yeah great accident there – oh I just do a random voice um so thank you guys for watching or listening yet please subscribe at proko.com slash draftsmen will give us a five star review on itunes why not like comment yeah we support the show yeah all right guys send in voicemails son oh yeah send in voicemails and leave a comment okay yeah see ya yeah bye bye right

50 Replies to “Our Biggest Art Mistakes – Draftsmen S1E03”

  1. What’s the biggest art/career mistake you’ve made? Let us know, make it public, so the Trolls can make fun of you 😉

  2. It did hurt your brand in a way though, as I'l never going tollow the teachings of a hack like you ecer since that awful display.

  3. But Stan, your anatomy course is amazing! I am a physician. I’ve done a cadaver dissection and I “know” human anatomy. But your course taught me how to think about anatomy as an artist, and how to use it that way. It is a treasure.

  4. Marshall you are so cultured, desent and humble.one can learn a lot from you. I like you. Proko you have good sense of humor. I loved the painting behind your chair Proko

  5. Wow Marshall you really let out a Heisenberg frustration out there 13:48 – 13:53

    Pay attention they really sound the same at that moment.

  6. I'm one of those lucky enough artists to be naturally gifted (like many here I guess). Missed the opportunity of a lifetime to work for a TV channel at the age of 17 years old, when they offered me a position to be part of a creative team, but squirmed my way out of it by making up a bs story. I guess I was afraid to fail which has been my worst enemy all my life. Wish I had the courage that Marshall says he had, saying "yes" to every opportunity that came his way.

  7. Yes, the archetypal hero- studied this in grad school many moons ago. Each student took a traditional classic lit and analyzed whether the central character qualified as a hero in one respect or the other, you could make the case that each did- that's what stands the test of time. We identify with the struggle. Great comments here.

  8. your anatomy course on Youtube is pushing me and im grateful for it so i don't think it was a mistake at all. But i did get your point about the business mistake

  9. I'm drawing while listening to them talking and when I don't look at him, Marshall sounds a lot like Bryan Cranston.

  10. This is kinda embarrassing but for the longest time I thought your name was Dan because youd start every video saying "it's Stan prokopenko" but the combo of it's and Stan I just thought it was a long s and it was "it's Dan prokopenko" took me way too long to get it 😤😬

  11. Biggest mistake is to stop drawing. Just draw every day with different techniques and eventually you will be proud of yourself.

  12. The segment could be called: "The SupporQuestion" hah, it's very stupid but it funny enough for me. Based on" Super" ofc

  13. Can’t agree that anatomy started too soon. It provides understanding about why the human figure looks like it looks. And your videos are so great. Thanks for doing them !

  14. It would be cool if the podcast were longer! Closer to the hour mark would be perfect, I think you're both entertaining enough to pull it off. You could add a couple of more segments, or just stretch the ones you have, honestly. You're actually good enough just telling whatever comes to your mind that Marshall could just ramble on and I'd listen to it for hours! Great job and loving the podcast.

  15. Marshall, my heart went out when I heard that story about Mel Blanc. I know that voice well, too well. It gets around.

    Also, you gave me a fright when you started on your first story: 'I just wanted to get paid to make pictures'. "Wait, that was a mistake!?"

  16. I understand why you wish you had made the basics course first, but I’m really thankful personally that your anatomy course has been out so long. As a young artist starting out I’ve been able to get a good head start on learning the figure, I wouldn’t be at the level I am without your channel.

  17. It’s so important to highlight the struggles as well as the achievements and loved Marshall’s story about needing to go back to education. One of my biggest mistakes is not knowing when to stop. My high school art teacher would always say: The marks of an artist are problem solving and knowing when to stop.

    I look back on some of my pieces and cringe because of how overworked they are!

    I love Marshall’s voice! He definitely has the voice for voice acting. “I’d sure like to see that kangaroo…” long pause. Silence. Hahaha!

  18. The 2 of you together are dynamite. I love the special humor that happens between you guys. I'm always enlightened & entertained.

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