Lesson 3. Writing essentials for authoring on-screen content and narration scripts



okay and confirmed Polina you can see my screen yes I can see it fantastic okay well welcome everyone and Polina and thank you and welcome to copy writing essentials for authoring on screen content and narration scripts this is lesson number three and thank you all for attending we I really appreciate you being here and being part of this discussion this is exciting week as we get further into the trenches of developing e-learning content and thank you to iSpring for hosting Bates so let's get through some obligatory screens I call them my obligatory self brag so a little about me I my name is Michael Shashi and with am a technologist I have a bachelors in film bachelor's in Native American Studies and a Masters of Fine Arts and 3d modeling for video games and simulation I've been working in IT and elearning for 20 years now and I've almost got it right now so I appreciate these these are exciting for me to talk with you all and be a part of the community and discuss things and so as we look at some of the items that we've talked about last week so I'll talk about last week's number two we we talked about smee roles we talked about the pipeline and process we try to define what a semi was we looked at definitions and and who smees might be on your team remember that they're experts or they have expertise and sometimes they're geniuses and sometimes they're not and remember as instructional design people or developer as we're sometimes the sneeze as well and that was a not necessarily revelation but a good reminder for us all to consider ourselves because any of this means including ourselves are important to the overall success and like any other asset like artist or graphics or programming we're missing out if we don't utilize those smees and other roles as to the best of their ability and many have diverse backgrounds as such so but last week we talked about our real role and that is being learner advocates being champions for the learners and creating content for them and making sure that we would want to take this same content if we had to do so we even talked about ways to compress and capture semi knowledge where possible and we're available using video capture audio capture allowing the smiie to have some level of control and some buy-in and some face-to-face time with the learners directly in these of course using eye screens capture author audio and video so we also talked about what to do if there's too much information or more information that needed to be shared on one screen for those of you remember a couple of weeks back the video I shared you know the movie Starship Troopers would you like to know more this is showing how iSpring interactions could do that having a lot of information omission a lot of information and allowing someone to drill down into it as needed so there's a lot of different things so as I mentioned we're in week 3 and today we'll be talking about writing essential tools and for both on-screen content and narration next week we'll be talking about actually taking what we created this week and capturing it both an audio and video and editing it then the following weeks we'll talk about assessment and quizzes we'll talk about creating more interactive branching immersive content we'll talk about the best practices for the learner experience and the interface we'll look at things to polish up your content and then we'll look at ways that publishing and sharing and finally in the last week we'll actually showcase some really great demos and demonstration examples so here's what we can talk about today and one thing I didn't mention so as we go through these and yes this is the obligatory objective slides that we all love to develop and design however what I wanted to mention is we go through these I want to invite each and every one of you to make sure that you use the discuss buttons use the chat button and be part of this discussion with us and submit any ideas or questions as we go along polina will stop me and say hey we have a really important question so please utilize that function as we go through so today we'll be talking about of course on-screen text and content we'll be talking about how to craft and author narration scripts we'll also look at some tips you can give for your narrators and we'll take look at some things you could need to consider when putting audio on the screen so before I get into the meat of this Polina I believe we have a our first question can we go ahead and submit that to the group I'm sure but which one would you like me to submit that me double check my notes so the who does the writing on the eLearning okay number one perfect let me launch the poll for you guys and so the question is who does the writing for the learning you create is that you is it your client or is somebody similar is that the member of your team possibly if you could take them take a moment and vote for the right answer for you for yourself please do so or if you have any other answer you're more than welcome to share and the question box and we would love to see right that's a great reminder so as Polina said if you do have one answer that doesn't fit or have more than one answer feel free to answer the best but certainly use the chat function because we'd love to know what's going on with you guys let's leave that open yeah yeah um before so just so you know when we have the pawl open no one can see your screen it's just a poll question so I will have to close it and I will do it about now and then share the results so it looks like yeah mostly we have people who write themselves right and so that's that's about how it goes and so I'm in the same boat with many of you so I have both created authoring and created on-screen text I've served as technical writer in some cases for both what we used to call CBTs computer-based computer-based training I've authored an actual print book with the publisher so I'm familiar with crafting these various text writings and such so I completely understand and been down in the trenches with you all as well so let me get back to my fullscreen where I'm not staring at myself so as you know when we look at things on screen we need to be succinct we need to make sure that we provide information in a concise manner we have a limited area in physical not physical but in digital dimensions usually and sometimes physical if you do manuals as well but we have a very limited space by which we need to have our information and clearly communicate our ideas to our learner and of course so not being where D is important make sure that in this being concise that you have the core information less is more and of course we couldn't have a discussion on writing for the screen without chunking and we'll talk about that in a moment but I'm sure many of you familiar with so looking at you know how much text should I actually put on screen there's a lot of good information out there so the short answer is really not too much and so what does that mean well we'll look at at the moment so let's take a look at this is a the link is below and this is I'll pull this up this is a really great little tidbit out on Learning Solutions magazine where the the classic learner interface errors where it talks about how much on-screen text is available and you can the link is available and you can look at it yourself but this talks about some of the ouchies and and some of the know knows to do and filling your screen with text is very obviously a no-no and so here's sort of the little examples it might be hard to see on your screen but the links available so when we talk about distilling down information we take a lot of information whether it's our from our smees or from our curriculum and we think B we distill it down into its core concept and we provide that core concept to our learners so what that can also mean is that we need to provide that additional information so while you may not have you know the three thousand characters on screen you may only have 149 characters or whatever the Twitter character limit is on screen you may still be able to augment or support that information with audio with the drill-down information the would you like to know more information things but we don't want to fill up the screen with text and I think you all know that but that's just an important idea so how do we actually distill down that information well more than likely many of us are familiar with chunking and I call that not only chunking but using common sense so the idea of chunking of course is the basic function that's taking it a lot of content a lot of information and compressing it down at the bite-sized chunk something that's easy to consume for our learner so there's a lot of different aspects you can go out and look for again resources like elearning GUILTY learning industry a TV there's a lot of great information about how to write up there but this is just sort of an overview to remind you that of course we need to take a lot of information and chunk it down smaller many of you may also be familiar with the mobile device first for mobile first development in a design process wherein you may also have heard of a can to responsive design and while it's like responsive design meaning we design with the idea that content will be will look good on all screens mobile device first or mobile first allows us to make sure we design for the smallest the lowest dimensions available first to make sure it looks good so we might not target all devices but we may focus primarily on the smaller device first to make sure that the lowest common denominator screen wise is the most accept or you know most visible so and this can be content content driven meaning as you look on your small device whether it's a tablet or a phone or what have you or even watches perhaps so smartwatches so it needs to be one that the content itself is visible on that mobile device so I'd encourage many of you to go out and look at the mobile first design aspects there's a lot of great resources available but as we begin developing we want to make sure that it looks good on the smallest device first and then going up and a great way to do that of course is using ice brings preview in the presentation preview as you're publishing or in just the preview up top you can look and see how it look you know your content looks on various devices including desktop tablet and smartphone so I encourage you to use this early early on your development process when you begin creating stuff but we want to also see how the text itself looks as we go forward so let me take a quick look at my notes because I want to make sure we get the questions and so let's talk about on-screen text so polina can we put the other question up at the second question about feedback from learners sure just a second okay all right so can you see it I can see it all right this is the right one it is so as we talk about what's best for our learners and so plain I'll to go ahead and just talk about this question so what I want us to do is in the chat so please share any feedback you've received from your learners specifically about on-screen text have you ever had your learners or a QA group say man this is a lot of text or you know what I this is just the surface level information I need more so did you have too much too little just right so as we continue on be sure and share that in the chat okay so you all continue to share that in chat and polina let me go ahead and move on through the conversation sure and let me please return the presenter rights back to you it's like a tennis match we go back and forth yeah so some people say that they have just right amount of information some say that it's little too much and some say that they get a little too little feedback to actually analyze I guess if it's too little or too much and that's and so I'm not so that's actually a very interesting point so both that you know I'm glad that people have gotten feedback but those that said they they actually don't get much feedback that's an important aspect and I think we all would love to have more feedback so maybe the the feedback that the learners provide doesn't they don't know that they can say that this too little or too much text so maybe as we develop we begin finding a case scenario of learners a real pool of learners to go in and say look take a look at this is it too much too little but that's pretty interesting actually so I think we've all had those where what is that unique balance and how do we develop it so it's one of those as you've seen from the feedback sometimes it's too much sometimes people want more and it really depends on the learner and the content itself you know what's best for the learner and what does the content facilitate and necessitate so and and once boosting just wanted to share quickly really interesting coming from Stephanie right amount of info on screen but too much with talking narration that's a good point so let's talk about that I actually wanted to talk about that that actually leads me into this so when we're developing narration script there's a lot of things we want to consider and I'll get to that so please remind me of that so a couple of things I jokingly say the acronym kiss and for those of us that have familiar with the statement maybe we've heard it as they're a childhood keep it simple stupid or if you're in sales keep it simple sales person but you know I'll just say keep it simple somebody we really want to keep our writing for speaking simple meaning we may have very concise or or even times medical or scientific information that needs to be a consumed by our learner but we may have those core aspects or verbose information on-screen in visual text information but our speaking and narration scripts need to be ones that are a little bit more common language or at least easier number one for the narrator to speak and both to be heard and jokingly with that I will say acronyms can be very can be very big obstacles and I jokingly say that after just using one call you know the kiss example of acronyms having worked for training for air traffic controllers and so we had a lot of different acronyms that we had to use and depending on the narrator when you were creating the the script it may you'd have to know your narrator or whether they knew those acronyms or not and sometimes they didn't but these need to be laid out in this process and understood and you can do that directly in the script or you can talk with your narrator whomever that might be important aspect that we sometimes forget when narrating and creating scripts for narration is transitional phrasing some examples include now that we have learned such as such or now that we understand this or now we will talk about this another example might be let's examine the following or let's examine this idea or even something as simple as alright let's shift gears so now that we've talked about this slide so let's shift gears these are interesting tips tips so understand that there's even something as simple as just using the right phrase and to introduce the new topic or introduce your sense sentence will help quite a bit and lastly and I think we all know this is as soon as you write a narration script get feedback from others I can't tell you how many times I've had to rewrite scripts even at the end even after receiving a lot of input so it's important that you understand and include this in your pipeline and process within the timeline and we've talked about this constantly within the project whether it's for our clients or internally we need to understand that rewrites happen we need to read understand because of that sometimes rerecords happen for our narrators but make sure you get input and feedback early and that you're constantly revising and getting the best out there so some things you can do of course visually when you're writing the scripts is include spacing which would indicate pausing for you're narrating voiceover artists or others or emphasis or bold these are things that you create and then talk about with your narrator and agree upon so that they understand the internal meaning so back to the point that we talked about earlier exactly how much audio should you have and there's a fantastic article I'll share here let me go to my so actually from the e-learning solution magazine again so how much narration should you use and so the answer of Courtin you could read this whole thing it's it's actually very interesting so someone did a study about how much they use the answer is course you know just enough so we don't want to narrate everything again many of you have and maybe even in my slide deck been inundated with death by PowerPoint so you have someone presenting a PowerPoint slide and they read every single three every bullet point every paragraph on screen so we don't want to do that remember we talked about being a learner advocate we don't want to do that to ourselves we don't want to sit through that sort of training or presentation we want we don't want to do that and give that to our learners so again common sense tells us we don't want to narrate everything and especially not word-for-word and I just say that even turn down for what for those of you that may remember the song recently from Little John so we want to be able to turn that narration off for you know accessibility viewers that are using a screen reader like jaws the audio if autoplays will actually interfere with the screen reader and not allow them to get the the needed screen reader captioned that they need so you may even need to turn your audio off or down so there there's a great balance and delicate balance there between creating this narration that's you know easy on the ears that's something that can be heard that supports and augments the succinct information you have on screen but also one that can be turned off if needed by various learners and still get the full information so it's a delicate balance so I'm glad we had that brought up earlier so within that delicate balance before I get into this just real quickly we have yet another question so let me talk about voiceover so number three pull a nut let's share that if you don't mind sure no problem all right how many is that these continue please how many of you have used yourself as a voice-over narration talent recording right so the question is so how many of you have to either have to do your own voice over or have done it before and I have had that experience so share your information in the chat when you can and as we do that I'll also talk about some real quick and easy tips for speakers and if we go to the previous point we have a very interesting point from theorem I've had learners tell us that they read faster than the narration so they would prefer no narration at all right and that's so and that's an excellent point and I actually follow that and and subscribe to that myself I do a lot of I you know I view a lot of stuff on YouTube whether it's doing my stuff at home you know fixing my car fixing some electronics and so you know what we would jokingly call that just-in-time training but I can't tell you how happy i now am that youtube videos and other videos have the speed you can adjust the speed to double because as many of you kind of as that alludes to our learners are probably very intelligent they can read the screen and so the audio not keeping up with their internal speed is quite it creates a lot of dissonance so I I love the YouTube speed button because I take everything at double speed and so it gets to the point quicker so that's a fantastic point so thank you for bringing that up yeah and then we have a lot of people saying that either yes they have or no I have done the narrations voiceovers myself I usually use a professional narrator very good okay so I will go back to sharing my screen so many of us may have had the experience of being a vo or a voice-over artist I'll show my screen here we go and so some of us have been lucky enough to hire professional talent and I say lucky I should probably throw that in quotation marks so as you know there are great benefits from hiring voice-over talent as well as some fault you know some inherent traps and such so you may get someone that's fantastic that does it great does it right the first time every time or you may get someone that you have to work with each and every time and that's just the luck of the draw sometimes or sometimes it's just how it comes out so some ideas and tips whether you're doing it or you've hired a vo artist so if you happen to be doing doing you know get into a quiet place and we'll get in some of these next week and we specifically talk about recording but make sure that it's quiet I've even used in a different location and different home I was in that walk-in closet because the clothing helps baffle and muffle some of the noise try to make sure that you record in the same day and again this is whether you're recording or you're coaching your vo artist or your talent because voices can change day to day even from morning to afternoon so especially on records those are going to happen where they sound you know it's a different day obviously but try to get in as much recording time as you can with you or your artist on the same day so that the voice itself sounds different and believe it or not simple things like lip balm chapstick providing water these are things that if any of you have edited audio you know that you know when lips get dry they begin sticking together and when the mouth gets dry it begins not forming words correctly those simple tips for this and you can see on screen and I'll also share this a really good online resource six tips for producing good quality audio from the e-learning industry and again there's a lot of these really great tips out there go out and search and you'll find that primarily you know there are several things you can do to actually help create a good voice of recording but these are just some things that sometimes people don't think of you know making sure that it's the same day and and and having liquid and chapstick so as I mentioned there are times when the learner may need to actually remove the audio or turn it down or mute it so we need to be aware of this we need to understand it and we'll talk about best practices for accessibility and for those learners as well like I mentioned those people that use screen readers like jaws or others need to be able to get to the information without having the interference of the audio or without having a clash with that so remember as we're creating these accessible contents reusing our scripts fleshing them out if they had a lot of abbreviations taking out the spacing and pausing but reformatting and using them as captions or transcripts for the audio or video these will be the basis for how we create these and how we prevent that provide them on screen which goes back to getting the input so understanding when you send it up for input or feedback and getting it back and allowing that information to be concise allows you to have better on-screen text and so we'll talk about that a little bit later as we get on video but just remember to reuse anything you've created so another really great resource I want to share is from the 2017 learning solutions conference and you can go out and look on this at the e-learning guild website but there's a great PDF and I'll go a little click on it so we can see it a little bit more fullscreen so in addition to the tips I've shared here's a really great worksheet that you can get and use go out to the website and find it I've provided the link but you can see there's a lot of informations when formatting when talking about how to create the scripts this is a handy little sheet that I wanted to share with us so so talking about scripts and projects let's go to our last question polina which is let's talk about some of the winds or ouch moments on re-edits yeah I'm sorry you should be seeing my screen now okay so let's talk about scripts and projects so have any of you do you have any winds or any ouch moments that you'd like to share with the group and discuss or even specific questions about how the script writing process or the rewrites or the rerecords have probably negatively affected your projects but do you anyone have any you know like great moments to share here's how you avoided you know the scope create so I'll continue to talk about this as we answer that question in the chat yes and I also wanted to mention that we would also like to share I mean as we're going to make a blog post about this webinar we would love to include your tips in this post if you guys don't mind of course so thanks for sharing okay let me go back to my screen while they answer that question so pulling a please jump in as we finish up here there we go show my screen all right so talking about scripts and projects so again I can kind of jokingly say you know scripts are either in scope and guess what the next slide is out of scope so remember as we try to keep our our script writing and I say script whether it's audio scripts or whether it's on screen you know crafting and creation and authoring rewrites and rerecords happen as I mentioned they just will happen and if they don't then that's one of the times they don't and and you're lucky on that time but I would bet your next project they do happen so we want to make sure that we create our authoring or our narration scripts early in the development process to make sure we have time for these rerecord xandrie edits and we're ensuring that each and every phase of the timeline has enough padding when we get that back and so that'll keep our scopes in script or at least try to again we're mitigating possibilities and of course like I said out of scope what happens well this is why we have padding when you have re records when at the last minute you asked me or stakeholder or someone realizes that information is it succinct enough where is it correct we have to go back in get we have to rewrite it sometimes these includes things outside of our control if we have a lot of translations that have to occur for our content perhaps there was a typographical error in the translation we sent out and got back the same thing with localizations so if we don't plan these things the you know if we don't plan for these things or understand that they happen we quickly have a out of scope or a scope creep that occurs because of either the on-screen content or the text part of the narration so these can also include things like the closed caption as I mentioned you would take the baseline script you wrote and use it for the closed captioning we would need to reformat that in some cases especially if you use spacing or pausing for transcripts or for any other assistive technology so remember these quickly go in and out of scope so polina do we have any other information to share on the feedback I'm just reading through all of it and I think it's fascinating and some people say that it took them a while to learn how to use the audio meaning mic for recording and some say that script writing editing is very time-consuming so they spend more time with them with that than the actual eLearning that's yeah that's amazing isn't it so it's very interesting that sometimes and I say that because as we looked at in week one the overall elearning process of creating you know elearning content is quite robust there's a lot of steps so as we just got a comment sometimes just this part of creating the script or narration for this individual has taken longer than creating the entire elearning process so as you can see things quickly get out of hand so we need to mitigate these as we talk about it let me sum up but as I do I want us to invite everyone to discuss and ask specific questions what we talked about today of course is looking at ways that writing for screens and of gore and of course that includes chunking which we probably all know keeping things simple and concise and making sure that we have probably robust information that needs to be distilled down into consumable consumable chunks for our learner and we also talked about creating items and previewing them so they see we see how they look on mobile devices first and making sure that content is the focus and it looks good on the lowest common denominator device so we also talked about things about writing for narration I shared some resources online you can view which I hope helped but we need to make sure that what we see are what we hear rather can be turned off if need be or muted or at least put to the side and the learner still gets the information remember the audio needs to support and augment and enhance what we see on screen but not be overboard not read word for word and so some other things we talked about is making sure that you plan for each and every one of these mitigative steps that you need to do because redo xandria that's happened and we just don't want any scope creep so it can happen if not watch so let's open it up for discussion I wanted us to talk about this today polina are there any juicy tidbits over there well I love I actually love all of them and one of them is from Alexandria our company we have found having a quality microphone is the biggest help it makes the clearest sound and picks up fantastic audio recordings we used in the past with just computer audio was not the best quality and then Emily says that convincing the subject matter expert that a script was actually needed ouch until they created one and so I'll go back so I let me pick up on that last part first so sure I I would suggest no matter if it's me if it's yourself record that individual say okay that's great let's see what you have to say and let's do it a practice session get your phone out get whatever device out you have you know your webcam and you know your laptop have them sit down and and talk and then play that for them just you know just right there then and there and ask them their true feelings so I think a lot of us many times if you remember you know we don't sound the same as we think we do speaking for instance if you hear a recording of your own voice oh you're like that's not me so I think that's a great point if we if we show someone what they can create just off the fly it may help support our case for hey this was really good and here's how we can make it better with a script did you hear how many times you said um did you hear that the pacing was off you know that sort of thing so that's great and so previous to that this comment was what polina because I had a point I wanted to make about that oh the microphone so next week we'll also be talking about some tips and tricks so that's an excellent point that the microphone and the equipment itself is vastly important to have quality learning no one wants to hear scratchy staticky dogs barking in the background sort of information so that's why I said make sure you get in the quiet place and also as we'll talk about next week the equipment is just as important and any of you that have edited audio know and I put the you know earphones on and listen to it there's a lot of background noise that we just don't hear and making sure that ambient noise isn't part of our learning and part of our audio output and final deliverable is very important so that's good thank you yeah and I have the bass question ever from Carrie what in the world is your mug hahaha so that's funny it's a I don't know if anyone have seen you know Cartoon Network's Adult Swim Rick and Morty this is a Rick and Morty mug so thank you for thank you for my mug appreciation so yeah so this is something we picked up at a Comic Con recently not D comic-con but a comic book convention all right so we do have more questions any tips on interject and energy like a radio DJ well and so that's that's that's also a item so just like a radio DJ can be just right or can be rather cheesy as we talk about what's coming up next on the radio hi you're the first caller what your name is so there can be a difference so interjecting energy can be done in script but remember when I talked about the benefit of good at getting a voice-over artist sometimes you get someone with the voice that sounds really good that it's comfortable that puts people at ease and allows them to receptively you know get information some of that has to do with your your actual voice-over artist if it's you I would suggest you do some recordings and let someone else listen to it has then does this sound exciting enough if it's a specific person or Smee that you you need to capture their information maybe interject with some you know again some of us have or arm very monotone I've been accused of being very monotone and so interjecting a a long voice over with for me and chopping it up into little chunks again chunking and providing on-screen graphics that support that that can provide some excitement there's all sorts of ways to do it but again it depends on the voice and timbre of your specific voice-over artist hopefully we'll get someone that is good and we talked a little bit about that next week about choosing your voice-over artist but that's an interesting question there's several ways we can add a little bit more interaction and interest in our voiceover so very good all right and moving on to the next question from Stephanie how do you get the odd to sound right if rear recording at a later date and your voice doesn't seem the same well that's when you know of course we start with good recording equipment hopefully and sometimes it's just the way it is sometimes it will sound slightly different dividing that up say we have one rerecord on one slide and another on another the interspersing of time between the two recordings sometimes helps but you know our learners just like us are probably pretty intelligent they can probably hear the difference so beyond all that I would say there's many ways to edit it to adjust the sound levels and so if you have a good audio person lean on them for some help to help sound make them sound similar they may not as again I mentioned even voices themselves nevermind the ambient noise can sound a little different from day to day we can be a little bit more nasally we can have dry lips anything can happen so understand that so do your best and of course there are ways to edit audio to make sure the sound levels are the same and that helps making sure things are not too loud or too soft compared to a previous recording just know that it happens and try to mitigate that next time but again some of these tips might help that's facing it out in between slides and or making sure that you have good equipment to start with or a good audio person or a good editing program you could use awesome thank you very much and we do have a question about text-to-speech a couple of them is text a speech recommended and what's your take on using text-to-speech computer voices that's interesting and I didn't cover it on this one but I certainly have used Texas speaks text to speak before speech sorry TTS so it's it's an interesting I leverage it sometimes in the prewriting when I'm getting feedback rather than you know having an actual voice-over artist come in and do the script I may say hey here's this done and TTS here's the audio files they're more or less 30 seconds 40 seconds 30 seconds and so that allows someone to begin if they're doing you know you know making sure that the on-screen content is timed with that that helps with timings but I would say if your learner is okay with that sound then that's fine if the content is a it's also jives with that use it that's fine I would suggest looking into either a little bit higher end or better sounding text-to-speech voices and there are some free resources out there that you can use there there are you know microsoft voice is the standard but it really depends on your learner what they're okay with and what you are okay with so and some of those can sound pretty decent so I would investigate those it so just to get down to your question it can be a viable resource whether in the pre-development prayer you know resource or later on in the finished product it just depends on you and can you recommend any text-to-speech I have used some some I'll have to see the link I think it's just something simple like free text-to-speech but again I normally use those only to get sort of buy-in and feedback from stakeholders and smees and others on the early development process I don't have any that I necessarily met recommend right now as far as voices because it depends a little bit on location you know for instance those of you knows their different dialects what may work for the Americas may not work you know may not be relatively or readily accepted in the UK or others so it just depends right and we have a couple of questions about the text versus narration should you then have on the screen everything that you have in the narration right so I would make it available as wanted or needed so my initial answer is no you should not I would say the most important information be it little blurbs or you know little pockets or chunks of text needs to be on screen but if the learner wants that information we provide links for instance if there is a policy that we're covering we talked about the main points the policy or what's changed since the last policy but we normally give that person a link to a PDF or on line document where they can sit down and take the 14 hours to read that document so it's the same sort of thing you know in audio we are enhancing and giving a conversational level and also hitting for our auditory learners what they could potentially see on screen if they want that information we can possibly provide it but I would my initial recommendation is no but then again that can change for learner to learner or content to content so mm-hmm thank you very much and a question from Sandy do you have standard for how long we should expect a student to be engaged with one presentation or activity I don't have a standard that's a pretty good question so it really depends so when we talk about interactive you know different interactive things engagement and learner interactivity is a unique balance and we'll talk about that a little bit later in the coming weeks when we talk about branching scenarios and such and interactivity but it really depends so let's even take it down to smaller you know so slide by slide if you're using you know PowerPoint verbage so relatively speaking depending on how much information you'd probably say that one slide equals one minute of learner time it can be more but probably not much more usually because we want that learner to move on and have other information sitting on a screen as a learner for more than a minute seems like forever so that's for now that's you know just a conversational speaking one rule I would say maybe even less yeah less than a minute per screen or per interactivity but it really depends as I just mentioned if the learner wants more information we certainly want to allow them to dig deeper and dive deeper so it really depends on what the content is and how robust it is thanks a lot and the next question is from Karen is it helpful to have multiple voices do narration throughout the learning or better to stick with the same voice well I all we give you my personal preference I would prefer to have one voice narrate a slide by slide or however it is interaction or elearning content and now that's my preference but I may want to turn that off off its implant but also let's say if I have a avatar lid or a coach LED you know sort of mentor on screen of my e-learning content I would want a different voice for that then I would want for the narration or vice versa so it depends on the content again when I was talking about doing training for air traffic controllers they actually preferred a little bit of variety they preferred one narrator for this concept another narrator for this concept but that wasn't the norm I think typically speaking more than likely you would want one but again if your learners like that and they're okay with that go for more you don't have to do anything a certain way in order to make it successful and that's one thing we want to make sure remember one last week when I said we want to be advocates for our learner we want to make sure that they're happy they're comfortable and they like what we do and there's no easy way to do that other than just going out and getting more information from our learners but I thank you and if you could let me read some of them tips that already Dee's have shared one from lorem I have advice when recording and you mess up just pause then start again no need to stop and start recording in edit you search for the big pause indicated by the sound bars and you can add it it out which i think is great advice thank you very much more for sharing that that's very good and also another one is from Darren my voice sounds better late morning or afternoon never first thing in the morning never first thing in the morning especially after a long or good weekend so to speak all right okay and the next question is from Marita I have a primitive mic that does the job but it isn't the best I record in my best basement when it's quiet but it still picks up quiet air sound is there a tip trick to making sure my mic doesn't pick that up so that's a good information so like I mentioned earlier I used to do it in my walk-in closet so perhaps in your basement and who knows you know I don't know how your basement is set up but let's say there are other items in it let's say it might not have carpet anything you can do to dampen that noise would be helpful bring in some heavy jackets bring in some heavy clothes they are already on hangers hang them up in different locations put them around the mic I don't think I can reach mine but you can of course get the pop filters which again and and for those of you know what I'm talking about it's usually a circular looking little piece of mesh that you put in front of your microphone or even as you can see on my you know on mine I have a little mouthpiece you know pop mic so anything you can do to mitigate the sound but also remember as you edit noise and depending on your editor and I believe in iSpring you can actually edit out some of that ambient noise as well yeah and so that's that's quite beneficial as well you pick up you know as someone just mentioned you have that little pause you pick up that space and the editor and we'll talk about the editing tips and tricks next week but those are some things you can do right now at least to help the ambient noise be cut down and so as you all know as the microphone tries to pick up not only your voice it picks up everything usually even if it's you know you know on the directional or whatever so cutting down on the amount of noise or bounce back or echoes in the room would help right and we have a tip from Darren use a directional microphone AKG d5 and another one from Randy a good place to record is in a vehicle in a government in a garage for it totally soundproof environment how cool is that that's fantastic I would have never thought of that so that's that's good and notice just like I mentioned we have a small contained space depending on your car there's probably a lot of upholstery and things that soak up the sound so that's a great piece of advice so thank you for sharing that yeah and then just a quick one from Coral foam cover and you have to have pop filters all right and moving on to our questions one from Stuart our videos are of software demos how much narration should be used to describe the action of the cursor oh that's interesting and so that also talks about how much information you might need to describe for those assistive technology users so it okay unfortunately it depends and I say that a lot so let's say it's just something that is click here click here and then click here and then the screen comes up whether or not you have to input information so it I would do a couple of tests I would provide one that's bare-bones with no audio or even such little audio as see the following animation or see the on-screen cursor see how it looks versus create one that has piece-by-piece audio that it's interspersed in I would wager a guess that the learner probably is ok with just seeing the on-screen information but again remember you may need to describe that information for those that use assistive technology or what have you so that's a good question I would say just generally speaking that you don't necessarily need as much audio in that case because you see the visual of what's happening but it depends alright thank you very much and sorry it just lost that but we do have a very nice another another tip from Kari although a little different from what you are talking about I like to use Siri to record what I want to say then copy the text into a doc and add that the language grammar for a script yeah so that's capturing the the text with your voice and that way you have to type less but you're just fixing it up later I think that's fantastic so that's great and so also helping you know have Siri read it back and I know that's a little bit more involved but allowing you to sort of hear how it sounds and again the text-to-speech reader seeing how it sounds that's a great point so right and I'm moving on to a question from Laura let's say you have a slide with several on-screen animations flying in and out timed to audio then you have to rerecord a piece in this case we would need to import the new audio for that piece can we simply replace one chunk of timing on that slide or does the entire slide need to have its timers reset that's a good question so I let's say we're doing it in something like PowerPoint where we have a specific timeline depending how you said the animation set up you can have them fire off one of dependent of the other so hopefully you've set it up where you only have to do that part and again that's sort of a broad question that goes beyond today's discussion but doing things is setting you know so one fires off the animation and then you have the next animation set or whatever it is fire off after but it has a delay or at the same time but has a delay you would only need to adjust that one section hopefully we have set these up where you know it's only section by section but unfortunately you're going to get in situations where you really have to do each and every tiny little nuance part of the animation and that's part of it and that's again part of what you need to think about both as you're creating the animations but has you're including time for the reduce the re-edits and in this case the reanimation because of the subsequent rerecord so think about how you set those up initially and hopefully you can mitigate some of that but it happens unfortunately thank you very much Mike and a question from Divya when you say one minute per slide how many words on that slide not very many so it really depends and so I would hopefully say that and that was just a guesstimate by the way I would hopefully say that one slide would not be more than one minute unless as someone mentioned earlier there's that software simulation or interface simulation that happens where someone needs to see maybe a robust set of clicks or mousing z' so depending on what you're looking at if it's a standard what I call level 2 if those of you that remember our discussion from week 1 which is beyond page turner but not quite in the immersive simulation 3d world you would have text in audio or video or an image so I can't give you a specific number but we definitely don't want it to say you know more than two or three paragraphs and again I'm using that term loosely because these wouldn't be full robust paragraphs you would see in a newspaper article or on screen they just need to have the succinct information because again maybe our audio is covering that information within that one minute or maybe the learner is doing an interaction looking something and being active at that place so it's hard to say but but literally not much text just enough to get a very concise and very succinct message across to our learner about what they're seeing on screen and we have a comment from Johanna I use the sync tool and I spring when I need to correct timing after so this will be I guess and manage narration oh right in the manage narration so that's a great tool as well so and that may help alleviate what the other person was talking about about all the animations and timings and again using that narration and depending on how you set it up that was a pretty smart way to do it so good choice right thank you very much for managing it mentioning it and we have another tip from fern another tip I got to make editing easier is to clap or snap your fingers to make a blip in the audio file it helps to make it easy to find the place where you want to add it or remove I have to be honest with you all when I do my voiceover recordings I do the same thing but I pop my lips and so I see it visually on the audio indicator I can't tell you how many of those pops I have edited out of my over and over and over take 3 take 6 take 9 and so that's a fantastic way to do that and if you have a second camera set up which many of you may not but if you do that clap or that loud noise will also allow you to sync things up in the editor so that's a fantastic point so that sounds like someone's an old AV editor in there so alright and question from David what are the recommended font sizes for the screen text that's a great information so I don't have them in front of me I will probably be sharing those later in that week where I talk about UI and UX I specifically talked about on screen font sizes you can go out and google it there's a lot of great information and it's gotten even better in the last few years specifically when we talk about fonts that look good on small screen and big screen and I'll share those later in the coming weeks but I don't have those tips directly in front of me but metier Edel ii found out there so right okay well at this point I think we need to wrap up our webinar session and we do have some more comments and tips shared from our by our users I'm sorry by our attendees so we will be releasing a blog post on that webinar session and we will be definitely including some of the tips in there so that you can guys feel have that ice either icebreakers are sharing their knowledge with you and also I would like to share a link with all of you I will post it in the chat section right now so here's the page where you are more than welcome to submit any other questions that you have and sometime later Michael will take care of that and get back to you where the answers to your question yes no certainly yep and then I also wanted to remind you that you can win the face to face online consultation with Michael either 60 minute 45 minute or 30 minutes if you just simply answer the question what did you learn at the webinars and then post it under the general blog post on our website and I have shared the link to it and the chat section as well fantastic thank you for sharing that are you excited Michael I am very excited so please feel free to jump on there everyone chat with us push your questions on for the blog post and such and really get interactive with these webinars that's what we want is to have a whole lot of discussion from everyone so thank you for everyone for participating yep and I hope you guys enjoyed this session you are more than welcome to submit your feedback the comments section and let us know what you like what you maybe didn't like and I saw some points I'm sorry some people mentioning that we have a misspelled world word on one of the slides so we better do a better job with you Michael for our next webinar fantastic remember when I said everyone gets sent it out for feedback and QA so that's exactly what I needed to do in that case all right so I would like to thank you Michael one more time for speaking for our attendees today yes thank you for having me and thank you for I sprang for doing this webinar series that really appreciate it all right and we will see you guys next week and what are we going to talk about oh let's pull up that slides hang on let's take a look at what we're talking I believe it will be tips and tricks for audio and video narration and editing right here it is on screen in case anyone needs it but yes so week for tips and tricks so we'll be looking at specific ways to capture and edit what we've done and a lot of it we talked about today but we'll also get into the trenches on how to do it so all right so I hope everyone has a wonderful day and we'll see you the next Weber webinar thank you good everyone

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